Tuesday, April 26, 2011

Night chat with SUHA

I had a night chat with a young and charming Arab, Muslim woman. She is from one of the oil-rich countries of the Middle-East.
It was really interesting and unexpected. I won't tell her real name or nationality. Here it is, simply copied-pasted:

SUHA: hey yehuda

ME: Hi SUHA, how R U?

SUHA: i`m fine , so u can speak in English , thanx God
lol

ME: Yes no problem. I'd like in Arabic, but I have to learn more...

SUHA: aha , so u know to speak in arabic,
cooool
i can teach u some , if u want

ME: ana bahki bass shuwaye...

SUHA: ok , so what do prefer ?
arabic , english
it`s okay for me

ME: English easier

SUHA: okay

So U live in (Arab country)?

SUHA: yes, (Arab country)
u r French , aren`t u?

Yes, French and Israeli

SUHA: okay
as all my friends ,
somethin and israeli
for me , (Arab country), and (Arab country)
lol

ME: U would like an other citizenship?

SUHA: no thanx
u want me to go to jail
?
lol
cs i`ll tell u

ME: So U have a revolution to do there too ; )

SUHA: nooooo
why to make such aa bad thing
the government gives us every thing

ME: Cool!
You think we will have peace here some day?

SUHA: mmmm
look
i hope so

ME: Not simple...
I'd like to visit (Arab country) one day

SUHA: u can
by ur french passport

ME: Yes. Just to see you would be worth the travel...

SUHA: loool
he `s coming to see me
i think it`s worthin , just bcs of me
huh


ME: You may come to Jerusalem too

SUHA: i wish
it`s the holy land for God`s sake

ME: You'r welcome!

SUHA: thank u
and he is from ur countruy
not france
lol
i think it`s worthin
hahaha
so
r u busy?

ME: Yes, excuse me. I was on the phone with a Palestinian

SUHA: so , u want me to talk to u later?

ME: I am always busy, but it is a pleasure to hear from you

SUHA: r u a business man?

ME: No, I am a pharmacist in an hospital.
My business is this now: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=13085766625
And I write all kind of things

SUHA: do u believe on the peace btwn them?

ME: We have no choice. It will come one day. May be with the Messiah!

SUHA: mmmmmmmmmmm
no comment

ME: You don't believe that there will be a universal peace on earth, one day?

SUHA: no
the messiah
lol

or the mahdi

look
i dunno
u know the mahfi
mahdi

ME: I know about the idea. That's the same I think.

SUHA: i love u , bcs u think of living in peace
u don`t care how

ME: I think that there is a globalization, that we are going toward a World federation

SUHA: where r u livin?

ME: In Jerusalem

SUHA: since when?

ME: 1991!

SUHA: mmmm
u r coming from a westren back ground
if u r arabian , u will not think by this way
here
every one wants to win the battle
just to show that he is the strongest

ME: Sad

SUHA: yeah, really
u r livin there now
i think u had noticed

ME: Yes I did. Only some Jews here are really trying to bring peace. Many don't believe it is possible, but I am an optimist!

SUHA: so?

ME: I meet many Palestinians who R tired of wars and intifadas

SUHA: maybe

ME: Israel signed peace with Egypt and Jordan. I don't know if it will go on or if islamists will take the power

SUHA: look
these r only papers
all arabs hate israel
i`m arabic , i know

ME: And you, are different?

SUHA: i`m yes
i have a jew bf
lol

ME: bf?

SUHA: is it enough to prove that i`m different
lol
boy freind

ME: OK!
It will stay between us, it can be dangerous for U, isn't it?

SUHA: lol
i dunno
maybe

ME: Here they will kill a girl who has a bf before wedding, and a Jew they won't think of it!

SUHA: i had a christian b4
and by the way , i`m not virgin

ME: You are the peace yourself!

SUHA: lol
i didn`t get it
i think i got it
lol

ME: You made peace between 3 religions by love...

SUHA: loool
this is my way of thinkin

ME: How do you explain U R different?

SUHA: okay
i do believe that the 3 religions r from God
or at least
judaism and Islam
Christianity is created
any ways
so, the God is Common
the same God
if we have the same source , y we r fighting?

ME: Good question. I agree with you.

SUHA: i believe on Jesus
but he wasn`t came with some thing new
he was jew

ME: Not all Arabs hate Israel:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_supporters_of_Israel

http://arabsforisrael.com/

http://www.think-israel.org/shoebat.deadheart.html

ME: U R right about Jesus, he didn't want to create a new religion


10:23pm
SUHA: i`m a good reader
look
i love jesus
he is poor man
cs , every one is tellin story about him
i`m sure that he didn`t say that he had to be worshipped
he didn`t say that he is a G-d
i think his fault , for jewish people that he said that he the Messiah

ME: It is not clear that he has said that. Jews don't accept Christianism, the worshipping They have no problem with his teachings.
All his first followers were Jews

SUHA: yes
yes yes , i`m with u
but , he didn`t say
he was teaching
but didn`t say that he is God
but
he did say that he is the messiah
look
it`s written inQuran
lol

ME: For Jews, the Messiah is the one who will bring universal peace and justice in the world.
If someone has the potential to be the Messiah and doesn't succeed to do the job, we don't care bout him.

ME: Have you read the Gospels?

SUHA: not really
but i have an idea
i have the Torah
but even i didn`t open it
brb
for a sec
back

ME: OK

SUHA: i`m back
so , tell me about the Gospels

ME: There Jesus asks his disciples who the people think he his. Some say the Messiah, other Eliyah, the prophet who will announce the Messiah). There R different versions in the 4 gospels

SUHA: okay?
did watch the movie
i dun`t remmeber the name

ME: At his trial, he his asked: people call you the Son of God.
He answered by a verse of the Psalms: "You are all divine, sons of the supreme God"

SUHA: okay?

ME: You shoud read the texts, that's the best

SUHA: so , he didn`t say clearly that he is the Son of a God

ME: I understand his answer as saying that we are all the sons of God

SUHA: yes
it means, God loves every one

ME: In its genelogy it is written "Son of Adam, son of God". We are all bani Adam, and Adam was created by God, like a father creates his son...
And every one his in the image of God, everyone has a unique creative power.

SUHA: oh, i dunno
but , he was jewish
a good person , following Torah
any ways

10:50pm
ME: Yes, I think so
To come back to the beginning of our discussion, you said that all Arabs hate Israel... How do you explain this?

SUHA: okay
it`s a kind "this is our land , strangers kicked out us from our land"

ME: But in the Kuran it is written that God has given this land to the Bani Isra'il!

SUHA: lool
i was discussing with mom
is i written that this land is for muslims
NO
it`s not written
when Mosus the prophet had cross the sea
God told him to go and fight to enter the Holy prophet that God Gave it the Jews
so it`s the land of Allah
he made it Holy
and gave it to banu israel
okay?
then they didn`t follow
so God told him that it will be forbidden for 40 years
he didn`t say for  ever
so
i had asked mom
so , in some how , God told his prophet Moses
God will not lie on his prophet
she told me , yes
they have to live in peace and deal with it
my mother is believing that all these land is for god
now for jews
b4 was for muslims
later maybe for hindus
it`s ok
this land he gae it to jews
it`s his right
but
she doesn`t agree kicked any one from his land to give it to jews
i think they were doing in israel
to kick arabs out their lands
what do u think
let us say , out of their houses

SUHA: r u thee?

ME: I discussed this point a lot with Palestinians.
I said to them: learn history from historians!

Jews came peacefully, bought land from Arabs willing to sell it.
They wanted to live in peace with Palestinian Arabs. Not one of them lost his land or his house before 1947.
But Arabs attacked the Jews many times, betwen 1920 and 1947. The Arab leaders told them to leave their houses, that they will come back soon. Then all the Arab neighbours of Israel attacked together.
THe Palestinians fled, afraid. And The Arab leaders told them that if they stay, they are traitors. But the Arabs who staid are still here, in their houses...

Then the UN offered a partition plan in two states. The Jews accepted, the Arabs refused. It is so clear!
What do you think?

SUHA: hey
havo yo go
c u

12:29am
C U too!
Good night

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Hi SUHA! I enjoyed chatting with you yesterday.
How are you?

SUHA: i`m fine , u ?

ME: Yes, thanks

SUHA: me too thanx

ME: I answered you about "kicking Palestinians from their house:
Have you seen?

SUHA: yes , i love it
no no
u had commented again?
let me c
i have to refresh the facebook

ME: Yes. In the chat itself, but you went. I copy it once more:

SUHA: okay

ME: I discussed this point a lot with Palestinians.
I said to them: learn history from historians!

Jews came peacefully, bought land from Arabs willing to sell it.
They wanted to live in peace with Palestinian Arabs. Not one of them lost his land or his house before 1947.
But Arabs attacked the Jews many times, betwen 1920 and 1947. The Arab leaders told them to leave their houses, that they will come back soon. Then all the Arab neighbours of Israel attacked together.
THe Palestinians fled, afraid. And The Arab leaders told them that if they stay, they are traitors. But the Arabs who staid are still here, in their houses...

Then the UN offered a partition plan in two states. The Jews accepted, the Arabs refused. It is so clear!
What do you think?

SUHA: yes
i think that is what happened
yes
agreed

SUHA: hey , where didi u go?

ME: I have sent a mail to all the members of the Federation group about what says the Koran on this subject.
There is a lot to read. I am impatient to read the reactions...

SUHA: loooool
so u have my opinion , no need to wait for me

ME: Yes, and thank you.  We agreed fully.

SUHA: u r a strong peace fighter
lol
peace fighter , i luv it

ME: Thanks for the compliment!

SUHA: that`s the truth

SUHA, I think it could be a good idea to post our chat for other people to see later. Without your name.
Do you agree?

SUHA: yes , sure

ME: Thanks!

SUHA: i think with ur effort , u will achieve ur goal
i`m sorry about yesterday
cs i gave u a bad idea about what`s going on
i mean when i had told u that arabs hate jews
and the agreemnts were only papers for them
lookin some how , it`s the truth
but , i think that u r a nice person
i hope that u can do it one day

ME: There is probably a large part of truth in what you said, but I am happy that you are more optimist now!
I think now that there is may be a common interest for Arab women and Jews to oppose the religious extremists...